Have private party websites like Trulia, Zillow and Redfin dominated your practice of locating buyers for your listings? Total Voters: 63
A San Diego brokerage office has publicly denounced third-party real estate aggregators like Zillow and Trulia and removed access to its listings from those websites. These actions follow a few other large brokerages throughout the U.S. severing ties with third-party websites, though the San Diego real estate community is divided on the issue.
One problem the San Diego brokerage office cited is third-party websites use intellectual property, such as real estate photos, without permission and without compensating the sources. They compared websites like Zillow and Trulia to Napster, the troubled file-sharing service known for the numerous lawsuits it received for copyright infringement.
The brokerage office also claimed the aggregated listings available to the public occasionally contain erroneous information. Errors include the wrong real estate agent being featured on a listing, incorrect square foot data and some properties not being featured in a way that makes their information readily accessible to the searcher. Other questionable data on these aggregator websites included failing to remove active listings, posting wrong prices and providing inaccurate details about listed homes.
Proponents of third-party listing aggregators say firms refusing to work with listing aggregators will miss out on all the sales opportunities popular listing websites provide. Zillow’s chief marketing officer asserts their website, which received 23 million unique visitors in December, allows homes to be advertised to the widest audience of potential buyers possible.
first tuesday take: Agents who are induced by someone to boycott private market aggregators are like T-rexes who try to ignore the asteroid (named the Internet) descending towards their habitat. In order to cope with these shifting power dynamics brokers have to adapt, or go the way of the dinosaurs.
San Diego has long had a cul de sac mentality, meaning the market is made up of one-way streets, effectively limiting the flow of information. Brokerages are no exception, as they seek to hoard information. Furthermore, large brokerages and the associations they control are old boys clubs – exclusive and set in their ways.
Before multiple listing service (MLS) data became digitized, real estate information was published weekly in printed books. These MLS books were distributed to agents along with the prohibition that they never let the buyer set eyes on the printed material about listings in the books. Agents held these books close to their chests, gatekeepers to the secrets contained inside. Under the guise of protecting the seller’s privacy, agents offered limited information to potential buyers – even though most all of the information withheld was actually readily available at city hall (except fee sharing offers). This calculated information withholding often led to surprises for buyers once the contract was signed, resulting in a developed distrust for real estate professionals. [For commentary on the agency tradition of seller dominance, see the November 2010 first tuesday article, Holmes v. Summer : dilatory disclosures and the damage done; for information on diminished trust the public has for real estate agents, see the November 2011 first tuesday article, Damage control: restoring public trust in real estate professionals.]
Trade unions have long held a monopoly over MLSs, as evidenced in long standing 6%, 50-50 price-fixing disputes. The MLS mentality seems to have lingered in this particular San Diego brokerage. Brokers who refuse to cooperate with third-party listing aggregators have very few reasons to do so other than paranoia of empowering the buyer. [For more information on the price-fixing practices of trade unions, see the September 2008 first tuesday article, Price fixing and kickbacks for the sake of earnings.]
This broker objects to websites like Zillow and Trulia because of misinformation they purportedly provide about his agents’ listings and information. However, instead of boycotting these websites, he would better restore trust in his agents by using all the tools at his disposal (including these third-party websites) to help both the buyer and seller attain their buying and selling goals.
As Generation Y (Gen Y) prepares to buy and rent, websites like Trulia and Zillow will be their first stop to locate shelter. To best serve their sellers’ interests, brokerages need to keep their information available to the vast and growing numbers of buyers who currently find their homes on these third-party websites. Subscribing to these websites is part of the agent’s fiduciary duty to diligently market listed properties. The duty they owe to the buyer is transparency – what I know about the property you now know. [For more information about Gen Y, see the November 2010 first tuesday article, The demographics forging California’s real estate market: a study of forthcoming trends and opportunities – Part II and the October 2010 first tuesday article, Social networking has proven valuable to agents.]
Furthermore, it is the agent’s responsibility to monitor their listings diligently for factual errors. Listing aggregator websites pull their information from various sources including the MLS and independent brokerages. Often it is user error from agents inputting the wrong information in the first place that leads to the same errors being transmitted on Trulia or Zillow. Agents have a responsibility to carefully comb through the information displayed in their listings before making them public — while Zillow may be a convenient scapegoat, the agent, and by extension his broker, are the ones whose necks are on the line for faulty and incomplete information.
Re: “SD real estate firm cuts ties with Trulia, Zillow” from UT San Diego
Carrie Reyes nails it. Thanks Carrie for calling an apple an apple. Many visitors here claim it’s a banana. Seems there is always those agents who fail their primary obligation to sellers: the fiduciary matter which includes as wide a coverage of available property as possible. Have you noticed too, the practice of pocket listings is still going on?
Do I like Zillow? No, they’re just a private bureaucracy. They’re not licensed brokers but an advertising platform. But here’s teh point: Zillow has done what CAR/NAR failed to do. Zillow capitalized on the internet. CAR/NAR takes our money but spends it on executive salaries, feckless lobbyists, and poorly designed ZipLogic software. CAR/NAR *COULD* have built what Zillow did.
But no. What did NAR do instead? They SOLD their name, Realtor, to Ruppert Murdoch for $950M in 2014. Duh…!!
CAR/NAR has the vision of “whose gonna pay me six months from now?” They SOLD Realtor. Get it? They Sold their name.
Murdoch doesn’t get it either. He’s fond of asking people, “What the hell does Zillow mean? We know what Realtor means.”
Maybe Murdoch thinks that’s clever. It’s not. Realtor means dishonest in the minds of too many citizens. Zillow does not.
Sorry first Tuesday- you are way off base with this article. We realtors pay dearly to belong to the MLS and have every right to hold our information ” close to our chest “. We must make sure our information in the system is correct and factual, otherwise we face repercussions. Zillow and trulia get to take our information, use it for free, publish information with errors and ommissions and expect us to embrace them? I have clients that come to me asking for information on properties found on these websites and more than half of the time the information is incorrect or not current. I recently did a MLS search on a four properties found on zillow by a client and only one was listed in the mls. The others were off the market or did not contain accurate information.
Many times the information could not be found in the MLS,but the client insists that is available because they “found it on the internet”. I have no duty to police these websites to check to see if the information they publish is correct. If I choose to pay for advertising on these websites or others, then it is my duty to make sure thie information is complete and accurate. We realtors embrace the Internet and will use it to market our properties, but that does not mean we condone the unauthorized use of our information, especially when the user make little or no effort to make sure it is accurate and up to date.
Note to first tuesday: you risk alienating many of your customers ( us greedy RE Brokers and Agents) when you publish editorials such as this without looking at the whole picture, especially from our angle. Did you interview any Brokers prior to writing this article. Is anyone in your organization a practing broker? think you need to do
some investigation and follow up with more on this subject.
No one at ft = Sells or List Real Estate ? They as Zillow are BloodSuckers off the Real Estate Industry
& If they ever did They fail & went to writing B.S = AS Zillow & Trulia = My personal Opinion
So we have 5 comments out of 5 disagreeing with FT.. mine makes 6. Have you noticed that this pattern is true for MOST of FT’s blatherings? What is it with them?
No one at ft = Sells or List Real Estate ? They as Zillow are BloodSuckers off the Real Estate Industry
& If they ever did They fail & went to writing B.S = AS Zillow & Trulia = My personal Opinion
Real estate agents bear all costs to obtain listings then turn around and give aggregators the data,free of charge, then, unbelievably, pay for advertising on their sites that couldn’t possibly exist without the data!
What a ruse! And agents continue to fall prey to these sites to this day. Wake up!
No one at ft = Sells or List Real Estate ? They as Zillow are BloodSuckers off the Real Estate Industry
& If they ever did They fail & went to writing B.S = AS Zillow & Trulia = My personal Opinion
i have always been amused that the association of realtors allows realtor dot com to hijack the data
No one at ft = Sells or List Real Estate ? They as Zillow are Blood Suckers off the Real Estate Industry
& If they ever did They fail & went to writing B.S = AS Zillow & Trulia = My personal Opinion
Realtor dot com is owned by Hearst & OUR LEADERS Sold it to Support their HIGH SALARIES & Retirements
Hold on First Tuesday.
You cannot hold agents/brokers responsible for mistakes made by third-party copiers.
Agents only have a responsibility to originally craft their listing documents accurately.
Other parties copying that material remain responsible for every change THEY make to those documents, intended or otherwise. Misrepresentations made by third parties are not the responsibility of the listing agent, nor should agents be tasked with the burden of searching-out and correcting the mistakes of others.
Persons using these third-party websites need to be aware of the potential for misinformation.
I would like to see some of these re-packagers taken to court for their sloppiness and lack of care.
Let’s hold them to the same high level of responsibility as the original listing agents.
These are unlicensed
Non State of Real Estate Dept ., Payers
Who will share personal Information if and when available
Kind of like YOUR Atty., or CPA sharing information
on the Largest investment a Individual Citizen has
My opinon another New York Boys club of controlling another Industry and
Keeping the Cream while making everyone their Flunky = Definitely a a Rip-Off Napster mentality
One day people will wake – up and rebel
With Hitler – It was 1st the Butchers then the Builders then the plumblers them the electricans
and on and on
Wall Sreet wants TOTAL CONTROL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Dictatorship Control on how Business is done and
People Live or else these use their Big Club = Their Flunky Congress / Senate / President
to club everyone into line !!!
No one at ft = Sells or List Real Estate ? They as Zillow are Blood Suckers off the Real Estate Industry
& If they ever did They fail & went to writing B.S = AS Zillow & Trulia = My personal Opinion
Realtor dot com is owned by Hearst & OUR LEADERS Sold it to Support their HIGH SALARIES & Retirements
My personal Opinion
NEW YORK MONEY – LENDERS probaly Related to the Bible Money – Lenders the Crucified Christ want to do the SAME to
Everyone …With them as Dictators ! My personal Opinion
Zillow is bogus. I live in a mobile home in an old park and they have all the mobiles as valued over $250,000 – based on the surronding area. Most of the mobile homes are less than $100,000. So…I don’t trust Zillow to know what hey are talking about.
No one at ft = Sells or List Real Estate ? They as Zillow are Blood Suckers off the Real Estate Industry
& If they ever did They fail & went to writing B.S = AS Zillow & Trulia = My personal Opinion
Realtor dot com is owned by Hearst & OUR LEADERS Sold it to Support their HIGH SALARIES & Retirements
My personal Opinion
NEW YORK MONEY – LENDERS probably Related to the Bible Money – Lenders the Crucified Christ want to do the SAME to
Everyone …With them as Dictators ! My personal Opinion